just reading a thread about one circuit saying the pubs must donate $10.. it got me thinking, that if it ever became policy to donate a % of ones income, that would be my cue to leave.
or i would kick up such a stink about it i would be kicked out.
either would be good for me.. so, is there any public policy changes which would be your cue to leave?.
Thanks talesin.
suppose i'm just scared of the consequences, and as you said, are any of us really ever ready?
I do have a plan to fade, but it may take many years. I'm just exploring some other avenues today.
Thanks for your answers, keep them coming.
to myself it means to seek knowledge and understanding of are selves and the world in which we live.. unfortunately history has shown whenever one tries to connect to god and of his knowledge through men who say they themselves are connected to god through spiritual wifi ie.
gb members of the jehovah's witnesses for example, one usually ends up finding a accumulation of only man's acquired knowledge.
over thousands of years of trying to connect to a god(s) for help and answers, mankind has eventually relinquished himself to seeking answers through scientific investigative acquired knowledge of the world in which we live in.
I think it's just something/someone to hang all are hopes, fears, and desires on.
If we want something, we pray.
If we are frightened by something, we pray.
If we do something "bad" and want forgiveness, we pray.
If we get what we asked for, God is with us. If we don't get what we asked for, God is still with us.
If If we pray that a friend will survive surgery and he survives, God was listening to our prayer. If he dies, then god was still listening, but time and unforeseen occurrence befall us all....
It really don't make sense and is MASSIVELY open to interpretation what this "God" is really like.
If there was 100% evidence to prove he does exist, I would have some very sobering questions for him. And the answer "i'm working to my timetable", just does not cut it.
I'm not too sure what to believe right now. I'm leaning towards there being a higher life form that is bigger than any mind can fathom, who doesn't actually give a shit about what goes on on planet earth. But again, jury's out on the subject for now.
just reading a thread about one circuit saying the pubs must donate $10.. it got me thinking, that if it ever became policy to donate a % of ones income, that would be my cue to leave.
or i would kick up such a stink about it i would be kicked out.
either would be good for me.. so, is there any public policy changes which would be your cue to leave?.
Just reading a thread about one circuit saying the pubs must donate $10.
It got me thinking, that if it ever became policy to donate a % of ones income, that would be my cue to leave. Or I would kick up such a stink about it I would be kicked out. Either would be good for me.
So, is there any public policy changes which would be your cue to leave?
It's very hard to leave over the child abuse issues at present as I would most defiantly be outed as an apostate, the information available isn't readily available to regular publishers. Unless there is massive exposure on the issue, that area is on hold.
In retrospect, the JW TV thing should have been my cue, but I was resting on my laurels a little. Sadly, that ship has now sailed. Need to wait for my next big opportunity.
Thoughts?
last night, during our "christian life and ministry" meeting, we had a session on local needs.
elder opened the talk with a disclaimer saying that this was a reminder (cited psalms about how david loved jehovahs reminders).
he reminded us of how bless we are of having our own local assembly hall.
They trying to institute tithing without calling it tithing.
Almost how they believe in the rapture, but don't call it rapture.
Almost how they believe in the After Life, without calling it the After Life.
Almost like how they condemn greediness, when they themselves are greedy.
Like how they condemn TV preachers, when they themselves are TV preachers.
JWs are a tithing religion, but they just don't call it tithing.
If it becomes policy to donate a percentage of one's income, that is my cue to leave.
i was raised as a witness and am very thankful that i am out.
having said that, i think my upbringing produced positive qualities in me.
do you believe that anything positive came from your being a witness?
Forbidden to smoke. Suppose that was a positive.
Forbidden to heavy drink. Again, positive really.
I am empathetic and kind. But then again, maybe that's just the way I'm programmed. I was taught the same things as every other JW, and these good qualities didn't rub off on a lot of them. They probably would have been arse holes even if they weren't a JW.
I think being a "still in" but mentally "out" JW, has helped me develop more positive qualities than I ever did as a full believer.
Go figure.
i propose that we make pintrest accounts and start openly challenging this crap.. .
seriously.... any suggestions?
this crap cannot be left unchallenged.
Haha, WTF? A board game? You seriously couldn't make this shit up.
This religion is killing itself. Maybe that's part of the "master plan" they keep talking about.
when installing, it asks if you'd like to receive automatic updates via the internet.. in other words, "we will re-write our history without you knowing what was written previously.".
the corporation knows that many will never exchange their cd rom for the puerile online library, so doctoring their previous "truths" is the best solution.. a bit like the creed painted on the barn door in "animal farm.
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Everything the WT are doing/have done in the past few years has a purpose.
This cult is on a collision course with karma.
a new letter was posted in jw.org to the elders who are under the brazilian branch:.
january 25, 2016to all bodies of eldersref .
: clap when given a readmission addear brothers:we would like to inform you about a recent adjustment.
hi everyone.. thanks for the welcome a few days ago, it was nice to hear your support.. this is a pure speculation thread, but what do you think the next changes are going to be?.
will we see tything come into play?.
more evangelical style meetings?.
Hi everyone.
Thanks for the welcome a few days ago, it was nice to hear your support.
This is a pure speculation thread, but what do you think the next changes are going to be?
Will we see tything come into play?
More evangelical style meetings?
I wouldn't have thought any of this would even be on the radar 5 years ago, but here we are.
Speculate away.
hi one and all.. i've lurked for 3 years, about time i signed up.. i'm a still in ms due to family.. fully awake.. i look forward to getting to know all of you..
Brandnew, a great username, a nod to a great punk band.
Thanks for the advice Makeme, i'll take it on board...
What I was getting at, is why are you here then? When if you believe the organisation is what it purports to be, then you wouldn't be here. And don't give me the "its an open forum" bullshit excuse, you know as good as anyone you would get a serious kick in the ass if your elders knew you were posting here.
